Strong Wind Depower: Rear Riser Control


So I’m opening the wing out now just using
my body weight and the back risers, and I’ve got the back risers in the correct hands for
flying, so my arms are crossed. What this allows me to do is bring the wing
up, it will automatically turn me the right way, this keeps control throughout, and in
strong wind that’s probably important. So I’m going to let the wing come up, I’m
going to run a little towards it to and try and ease the power off as it’s coming up so
I make it as smooth as possible. A little bit of depower there, and a little more, and
then I’m holding it there. OK it moved around about four or five steps there on the launch
area, but it’s still within the layout zone of the wing.
We’ll do a compare and contrast, that was a pullup using the back risers, we’ll now
do one using the front risers and brakes, so pullup on the front, big pull, having to
stop there with the brakes, and then when I’m standing (with the brakes) I can control
it to a certain point, but then … off we go! Now I need deep deep brakes to bring it back
in, and I’m right on my stall point there, and then the wing really folds and swings
on its dropdown, and now I’ve got a flipped over trailing edge, this is what the Xalps
likes to do when you use brakes. Now on the other video, I omitted to tell
you when getting out cravattes on the wing you can use your stabilo line which is the
one that is usually marked in a different colour. If you’ve got a big cravatte you’ve
got to pull that wingtip in, then you can clear it out to the side, even with big cravattes.
That makes a big difference. So I’m out on the slope and it’s pretty windy,
you can see from the last flight, the difference between using the brakes and the back risers,
you can see how much more depower you can get using the back risers. I’m going to now
launch I’m actually now holding the back risers instead of the brakes. I’m just going to lean back. My glider comes
up quite easily. A lot of wings do this nowadays with the reinforced nose area. So I’m just
going to lean back and I’m going to depower using the back risers.
Depowering already there, just to slow it down, and now I can actually pull the back
risers just to keep it on the ground. Now you have to be careful with how much you
use because it’s quite easy to stall it. If you use a little bit too much, it’s going
to stall back like that, you’ve got to let it come back again. Now some gliders are real
dogs when it comes to this transition, between a wing that stall, and reflying. This wing
is particularly good, it’s probably one of the best, because it’s lightweight and Advance
spent a long time designing the groundhandling into the wing so it’s really good for hike-and-fly. So I can do this quite a lot on this glider,
just let the back risers up and it bounces back up again. You might not be able to do
this on your wing, which makes that position there a little more dangerous, because that’s
where it is going to drag you. But play around with your glider. Having just done a toplanding on the back
risers, I’m going to switch to that permanently in strong wind. Because I can see you can
butterfly on the back risers and come down almost vertically, in a better fashion than
on the brakes. Putting it down: because I’m on the back risers
it makes it really easy to put it down nicely on the ground. I’m not holding the back risers
in all the way onto the ground there, I’m releasing them a little way before it touched
the ground just to soften the impact. I’m going to start again. Now if you’ve got
a wing that doesn’t come up on its own, and it needs some A’s, you might need to go to
the A’s in one hand and the C’s in the other hand. Now I don’t like this technique because
it can overpower you particularly on a B rated wing, if you’ve got both the back risers in
one hand, that’s a lot of power you need to control the pitch on the glider, and it can
easily overpower the pilot that’s trying to pull in the back risers and the wing is just
overpowering you, and then it gets away from you. So I don’t like it for that reason. It
also is very limited in steering control on some gliders, because you can only go so far,
so once the glider has yawed slightly due to turbulence, or bad layout, or different
winds as you pull up, you lose your control. I am going to try it just on this pullup because
it is very straight, the wind is strong and straight, so I can steer a little on the way
up, and hold it in. You see there, it’s crossed like that and it’s staying there for a long
time, I’d much rather be on back risers one in each hand, so you’ve got much more strength
to control one side or the other, and because the risers are further apart, the steering
actually works. So I try and get it to a position where I
can touch it down softly. I’m just using enough back risers to put it back down on the ground. Because the wind is strong and you’ve got
a bit of a slope, your glider should launch without needing the As, you’ve got your back
risers here, I’m just leaning into the wing a bit, I’m going to lean back just to initiate
the pullup, and then I’m going to try and run towards the wing while pulling my hands
here. Just to initiate, I’m running towards the
wing to slow it down a bit, I’ve got a big surge over to the one side, but because I’ve
got one back risers in each hand I can come out of that very quickly because I could do
a lot of steering input. And here, this is the beauty of it, you can
stand here, and I can glue my feet to the ground, so if I pulled up and conditions weren’t
what I was expecting, I can put it down again, and I’m already on my back risers for doing
that. Right, this is a bit of a skew layout, I’m
going to try and just bounce it up, using the back risers to control the pull through
.. and, uh, that’s one foot move. Pulling it up using the back risers, slowing
that down, controlling it, OK, no foot move there. If you keep your weight low like this with
one foot forwards,, it gives you more resistance to being plucked, it gives you more time to
depower the glider, rather than standing right up on your tippy toes looking up, then you’re
going to get lifted. Go down, and look to the side, at the tips, and that way you get
a lot more control, and a lot more time … when it’s doing that, I can pull it in and put
it back down on the ground slowly. Uh, it’s trying to fly me there. Difficult
to keep it on the ground! Go to back risers … and got rid of that power. And I can pull
it down without it pulling me. Back to your standard old launch, A’s and
brakes. Coming up, running, controlling. Quite a pull and a whip there, and it’s wanting
to .. uuh … off I go. I’m going to try that low and slide again,
sliding through. The problem with sliding is anything will grip your feet, giving a
very jerky pull, it only really works when you’re at somewhere like Point of the Mountain
where you’ve got gravel you can slide on. I’m still preferring running back at the wing
a bit. So running back at the wing this time. Big
step there. More power, more control. It’s lifting me off, I can still bring it back down with the back risers. Contact with the earth. Contrast with the brakes. Whoa! Bye

42 thoughts on “Strong Wind Depower: Rear Riser Control

  1. Is this technique suitable for an EN-A wing (Koyot III)? I've been taught to launch off-centre with inner A's and one brake, and have been experimenting with A's and C's. Is there one universal best method?

  2. That's really cool Greg never thought about that. Will definitely try it on the Base next time it's windy and see if it likes it. I think it's particularly useful to be able to ease it up slowly in strong wind. Rosing up the glider seems a lot more time consuming and probably results not as consistent. Also to stay on the ground instead of flying C's vs brakes looks quite interesting. Shows that pulling on the rear risers probably kinks the wing somehow and spoils it, creating less lift than by pulling on the brakes

  3. We learned a lot from this video. Been using A's and C's, and the problem, as you mentioned, is the difficulty steering, and the transition to facing forward…. must to let go of the C's and go for the brakes. Must try the pure rear riser, first kiting and see how we like it.

  4. Awesome technic.question i did my pg2 on bolero 6 which wing should i choose to spend next few years learning to thermal on thx buddy 4 all your vids which got me in to this lovely pass time

  5. very well done, perfect explanation..i love how you show us so many variations, really leads to a complete understanding of the concepts. THANK YOU!

  6. Now that's what I was talking about. This is THE WAY to launch in strong conditions. Greg, does this work well on 2 liners also? I wonder none of the pilots taking off at Quixada use this technique, except a few

  7. Interesting technique, and something I've never thought of doing. "Inner As + Ds" was a godsend when I finally learned it, and works every time for me. Like you say, though, maybe it won't work so well for other wings.

    Just to clarify, where are your brakes when you're on the rear risers? Have you completely dropped them, or do you have your hands through the toggles? (I guess it's the former)

  8. Nice video Greg will give it a go. Just one thing I presume that you put your hands through the brakes then hold back risers to launch?

  9. Very nice video. I'll try this on my own during the next windy groundhandling session. As Paul already asked, where do you place the brakes during rear riser control? Are they still in your hands? Or do you leave them completely untouched during the initial phase?

  10. Yay, another excellent video!
    I'm a big fan of front risers in one hand and back risers in the other. Total authority of the speed and stalls of the wing. Agree with you about how physically demanding or impossible it can be to use one hand to depower both sides of the wing. Like you did in the video, I find that stalling one side of the wing so that it bends back helps with rolling the wing back above your head if it goes over to the side.
    If you're able to stall and dampen the surge with a lot of authority without creating lift/drag (rear risers), there any benefit to depowering the wing as it reaches the zenith vs starting the depower earlier? In other words, do you ever find the need to bang the wing up quickly in strong winds to get it out of the power zone faster? Invoking a slide and resisting the power rather than running towards the wing is basically doing this? At many of our launch sites, getting plucked into the air in reverse is way preferable to losing too much ground and finding yourself behind the takeoff. Getting plucked into the air aint so bad.
    I suppose my wing is a little out of trim and difficult to pull it up by stepping backwards. Any position 30-45 degrees from the ground requires A's to bring it back up 🙁 When things get gusty (I think where front & back risers excels), having the A's in one hand keeps me from ever falling into the power zone.

  11. Hey Greg. How do you think this will work on the omega x alps 2, where the back risers also pull on the b’s? I’m wondering if it’ll be less effective as the profile is less disturbed?

  12. I fly in B wing. Until now I have been using A & C to launch. As you mentioned, steering response during ground handling was not very good so I was doubtful of my skill, I now know that it is the case. I will try C controls in separate hands when I am out next time. Thank You.

  13. question: can you be more specific about how you let the wing down? I think that actually is the most dangerous part. It appears you pull the 'd's to nearly a stall are you then pulling 'a's to slow the descent right before hitting the ground or just letting off the 'd's? also noted is that it appears really hard to stall that wing, you had brakes to your butt and it was still flying…

  14. Greg, we have now used the rear-riser inflation in strong conditions, and it's brilliant! Works like a charm. Feet stay planted, steering is easy. When ready to fly, just go to trim and voila! Off we go. And, it really doesn't require crossed hands. We turn left after inflation, so the left risers cross over the right. Just get brake toggles in hands as usual, but after that just grab the rear riser with the usual hand; left hand will be on top of the lines on the left side, right hand underneath the lines on the right. Usually rules for kiting apply, step toward the low side and pull with pull with that hand. It's super simple and foolproof!

  15. Excellent vid. I used the rear riser landing technique last week up the Dyke in strong winds. Smooth and controlled. Another string to the bow.

    Thanks for the knowledge.

  16. Greg,
    I have tried the C control kiting, and the SECOND I grab the lines I lose control. I am not getting the steering control. Should I pull the risers or can I use the lines, or does it matter? Any suggestions?

  17. Just subscribed to your channel, and love the advice!
    Could you give a definitive answer to the question about where your brakes are while using the rear riser control/launch technique?

  18. My wing is an old dinosaur from early 2000's.
    I was out all afternoon practicing this in about 20-25km wind but on mostly flat surface. Also I haven't flown in 10+ years.
    I need to put in A riser to bring it up on the flat surface.
    Tested both brake and D riser input for control. Brakes had be sprinting after the wing until I could grab the D and kill it. (I managed to get a pretty awesome rope burn when I was grabbing for a D riser and got a hand full of lines.
    Holding A's and D's allowed me to get the wing up and control it. I held the brakes at all times so there was no fussing about when i wanted to turn and practice the launch.
    Then I find your video demonstrating it tonight. Great vid.

  19. I am quite new to all this and only had a handful of powered paragliding flights in low winds. What scares me with wind is how I would collapse the wing if it dragged me up the hill? And when you are saying back risers, is that your C's+brake? I fly a Ozone Spyder 28

  20. What are rear risers? You are so far. I can t see. Month ago I learned A and C launch and now I dont understand what is wrong with it and what is rear riser control. A/C launch allows me to build the wall, set right direction and also wait for the right moment to launch. There shouldn't be a problem.

  21. rear risers in strong wind is a terrible technique. To kill the wing it's good, but that is what the rears are there to do. to kill the wing, not to help you bring it up. there is no reason to use the rears to bring up your wing. you are disconnected from your wing and on launch being disconnected is dangerous. Watch maurer's takeoff video in insanely strong winds. All you need to do is pull up on the wing and run under it to dissipate the energy https://vimeo.com/136343414

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