The National for May 2, 2019 — Jason Kenney, Women’s Hockey, At Issue


(*)>>Rosemary: TONIGHT, RAISING THE STAKES.>>PLEASE, DO NOT CAUSE FURTHER ALIENATION AMONGST ALBERTANS.>>Rosemary: JASON KENNEY GOES TO OTTAWA, THREATS IN HAND. “AT ISSUE” LOOKS AT WHAT IT MEANS FOR CANADA. (*)>>WE’RE LOOKING FOR THE SUPPORT THAT WE DESERVE.>>Ian: PROFESSIONAL FEMALE HOCKEY PLAYERS ISSUE AN ULTIMATUM. WILL THE NHL GIVE THEM AN ASSIST? (*)>>Rosemary: AND LIVING DOWNSTREAM FROM A DAM THAT’S WIDE OPEN. THE HUMAN STORIES BENEATH THE FLOODS.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>>HE PROMISED ALBERTA VOTERS THAT HE WAS GOING TO CHALLENGE OTTAWA AND TWO DAYS AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN AS PREMIER, JASON KENNEY DELIVERED IN PERSON. TELLING HIS FEDERAL HOSTS IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS WHAT HE THINKS OF A KEY PARLIAMENTARY BILL.>>IT WILL FURTHER ALIENATE ALBERTANS FROM THEIR ATTACHMENT TO CANADA IF THEY SEE THEIR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT — INSTEAD OF TRYING TO HELP US TO GET OUR ECONOMY BACK ON TRACK, TO FURTHER DAMAGES IT WITH THIS BILL.>>Rosemary: THAT BILL IS C-69. IT’S THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT’S PLAN FOR REVIEWING ENERGY PROJECTS. BUT KENNEY DIDN’T STOP AT THE SHORELINE OF THE ECONOMY. HE WADED RIGHT INTO THE WATERS OF NATIONAL UNITY. SALIMAH SHIVJI LOOKS AT HOW THAT WENT OVER.>>GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Reporter: POLITE GREETINGS WITH A HINT OF UNDERLYING TENSION.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: A FEW THINGS THAT WE DISAGREE ON AS WELL…>>Reporter: SMILES AND PLEASANTRIES A FAR CRY FROM THE DRUMBEAT OF JASON KENNEY’S ELECTION CAMPAIGN.>>IF JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS A FRIEND OF ALBERTA, I’D HATE TO SEE AN ENEMY AT THIS TIME.>>Reporter: BUT THAT JASON KENNEY DID SHOW UP EARLIER TODAY AT THE SENATE WITH FIGHTING WORDS.>>OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR IF THIS BILL PASSES IN ANYTHING LIKE ITS CURRENT FORM THAT THERE WILL BE A CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE.>>Reporter: HE COINED IT THE “NO PIPELINE BILL,” THE PROPOSED OVERHAUL OF HOW NOW ENERGY PROJECTS ARE ASSESSED. KENNEY DIDN’T MINCE WORDS IN FRONT OF SENATORS TODAY.>>THIS BILL DOES NOT NEED A NIP-AND-TUCK. IT NEEDS A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY OR IT NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT OF ITS MISERY.>>Reporter: FIRST AND FOREMOST, KENNEY THINKS THAT IT VIOLATES ALBERTA’S RIGHT TO REGULATE ITS OWN RESOURCES. THE THREE FEDERAL MINISTERS DEFENDING THE BILL IN THE FACE OF POINTED QUESTIONS BEG TO DIFFER.>>GREENHOUSE GASES ARE AN AREA INHERENTLY OF SHARED JURISDICTION AND A RESPONSIBILITY BETWEEN THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS.>>Reporter: KENNEY IS VOWING TO TAKE OTTAWA TO COURT AND HE WARNS THAT PASSING C-69 AS IS WOULD TEAR THE COUNTRY APART AND INFLAME GROWING SENTIMENTS OUT WEST.>>PLEASE, DO NOT CAUSE FURTHER ALIENATION AMONGST ALBERTANS WHO FEEL THAT WE JUST CAN’T GET A FAIR DEAL.>>Reporter: STRONG WORDS AND LINGERING THREATS THAT DON’T SIT WELL WITH THE LIBERALS.>>I FOUND THE LANGUAGE, FRANKLY, DISTURBING.>>I THINK THAT IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO SUGGEST THAT ALBERTA WILL LEAVE THE CONFEDERATION.>>Reporter: IT’S THE FIRST THREAT AGAINST OTTAWA, ALBERTA’S NEW PREMIER HAS REPEATED SINCE BEING SWORN IN. CAPPING OFF A WHIRLWIND VISIT HERE THAT SEEMS TO HAVE SOLIDIFIED HIS ROLE AS ONE OF THE PRIME MINISTER’S BIGGEST CONSERVATIVE FOES. AND TOMORROW KENNEY WILL MEET WITH ANOTHER ONE, HIS ALLY, ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG FORD. SALIMAH SHIVJI, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: KENNEY’S CALLS FOR OTTAWA TO KILL BILL C-69 ARE NOT NEW. IT’S SOMETHING THAT HE AND MANY ALBERTANS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR FOR MONTHS. BUT WHAT WILL CHANGE IF THE BILL, IN FACT, BECOMES LAW?>>BUILD THAT PIPE!>>Rosemary: TO SAY THAT BILL C-69 HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL MIGHT BE UNDERSTATING THINGS. THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT IT IS TRYING TO MAKE THINGS EASIER.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: YOU NO LONGER WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH SEPARATE PROCESSES THAT OVERLAP AT THE PROVINCIAL AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL. THEY’LL BE ONE PROJECT, ONE ASSESSMENT, FOR ONE PROJECT.>>Rosemary: GONE IS THE NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD. NOW THE NEW IMPACT ASSESSMENT AGENCY OF CANADA WILL REVIEW PROJECTS, LOOKING AT ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT. BUT THE PROJECT PROPONENTS WORRY THAT THE NON-ECONOMIC FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED MIGHT DOMINATE. THINGS LIKE HEALTH, GENDER AND THE EFFECTS ON INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. AND ON THAT SCORE, THEY WORRY THAT THE BILL DOESN’T SET OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS PROPER CONSULTATION WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT TIME. THOUGH THE ASSESSMENTS SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN 600 DAYS. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN WEIGH IN, NOT JUST THOSE IMPACTED OR EXPERTS. THAT COULD DRAG THINGS OUT. BUT THE GOVERNMENT HOPES THAT WOULD LEAD TO FEWER COURT CHALLENGES. AND OF COURSE JASON KENNEY’S TRIP TO OTTAWA CAME AS SO MANY HERE ARE DEALING WITH FLOODING. IAN, YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING THAT SIDE OF THINGS.>>Ian: AFTER WEEKS OF RISING WATERS PEOPLE HAD A REASON TO EXHALE. THE OTTAWA RIVER IS PEAKING THIS EVENING AND THE WATER IS EXPECTED TO RECEDE.>>IT WILL NOT IMMEDIATELY SUBSIDE, BUT IT WON’T GET ANY WORSE. IT SHOULD STABILIZE RELATIVELY HIGH LEVELS FOR ANOTHER WEEK. AND THEN WE SHOULD SEE THE SUBSIDANCE AFTER THAT.>>Ian: THE DAMAGE ALREADY DEVASTATING WILL SOON BECOME EVEN CLEARER. BUT THERE IS MORE GOOD NEWS. WORD THAT EVEN WITH MORE RAIN COMING A SECOND ROUND OF FLOODING IS NOT EXPECTED. BUT FOR SOME THE HURT CONTINUES. ON THE SURGING OTTAWA RIVER SITS THE CHAUDIÉRE RING DAM. MANY LIVING DOWNSTREAM ARE WONDERING IF IT COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO LIMIT THEIR DAMAGE. OLIVIA STEFANOVICH FOUND OUT.>>Reporter: HEAR IT ROAR. ALL 50 SPILLWAY GATES AT THE CHAUDIÉRE RINGS DAM ARE OPEN, THE SECOND TIME IN RECORDED HISTORY.>>THE VELOCITY OF THIS WATER IS THREE TIMES WHAT NIAGARA FALLS IS.>>Reporter: THE MIGHTY OTTAWA RIVER, TOO STRONG FOR HYDRO OTTAWA TO EVEN GENERATE ELECTRICITY FROM ITS SHEER FORCE. THE EQUIVALENT OF THREE OLYMPIC SWIMMING POOLS GUSH THROUGH EVERY SECOND.>>STOPPING THAT WATER, YOU WILL PUSH THE WATER BACK UP. AND YOU WILL START TO FLOOD OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.>>Reporter: YOU CAN FEEL THE POWER OF THE WATER EVEN FROM HERE. THE RIVER REGULATORS SAY THERE’S SIMPLY TOO MUCH OF IT TO HOLD BACK AND ALL OF THIS WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND THAT “SOMEWHERE” IS DOWN RIVER.>>OUR PLACE IS WORTH NOTHING ANYMORE.>>Reporter: STRAIGHT TO ROLAND LAFRANCE’S HOME.>>EVERYWHERE WE’VE GOT WATER AND IT’S UNBELIEVABLE.>>Reporter: LAFRANCE HAS LIVED HERE FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS AND HAS ONLY SEEN TWO OTHER FLOODS. FIRST IN THE 1970s AND THEN THE HISTORIC SURGE IN 2017. LAFRANCE WANTS DAM OPERATORS TO BRING DOWN THE SPRING RUNOFF SOONER.>>THEY’VE KNOW WE’VE GOT A LOT OF SNOW MELT. LOOK AT IT, TAKE CARE OF IT. WHEN IT MELTS BE PREPARED.>>Reporter: BUT OPERATORS SAY THEY CAN ONLY MOVE AS FAST AS THE MELT.>>EVEN NOW MUCH OF THE WATER THAT IS TO COME INTO THE SYSTEM IS STILL PRESENT IN SNOW. SO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO EVACUATE WATER THAT IS NOT YET THERE AND AVAILABLE.>>Reporter: THEY SAY THAT THEY BEGIN THE PROCESS OF CONTROLLING THE WATER AS SOON AS THEY CAN.>>WE’RE DEEPLY SYMPATHETIC TO ANYONE THAT HAS LOST THEIR HOUSES OR HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY THE FLOODING, BUT IT’S NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT WE’RE DOING HERE OR NOT DOING.>>Reporter: MORE TO COME. BUT PEOPLE HERE ARE HOPING THAT AT LEAST THE WORST HAS PASSED. OLIVIA STEFANOVICH, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Ian: YOU CAN IMAGINE THE STRESS FOR ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES BY FLOODING. IN ONTARIO, QUÉBEC, AND NEW BRUNSWICK, BUT COMING BACK CAN TAKE AN EMOTIONAL TOLL AS WELL. CBC’S ALISON NORTHCOTT WENT TO ONE COMMUNITY NEAR MONTRÉAL.>>THE WATER HERE WAS TO ABOUT THIS HEIGHT.>>Reporter: FOR DAYS ALAIN POULIN HAS BEEN RUNNING ON ADRENALIN AND DEALING WITH THE DAMAGE TO HIS HOME.>>A LOT OF VIDEO FROM MY FAMILY AND MY KIDS WITH THEY WERE YOUNG AND THEY GROW AND EVERYTHING. SO IT’S ALL GONE. FINISHED.>>Reporter: BUT THE REALITY OF HIS LOSS IS STARTING TO SINK IN.>>IT’S TOUGH BUT IT’S QUITE TOUGH BUT — NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW.>>Reporter: JOEL SAYS THAT HE’S TAKING IT ONE DAY AT A TIME.>>AND YOU CAN FEEL IT A COUPLE YEARS LATER BECAUSE NOW YOU’RE TOO IN THE MOMENT, RIGHT? BUT IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, I’M GOING TO THINK ABOUT THAT.>>Reporter: CHAMPAGNE IS SEEING HER SUBMERGED MOBILE HOME FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AN AREA THAT IS STILL FLOODED.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: THAT’S HER CAR, BARELY VISIBLE UNDER THE WATER. AS SHE WADES INSIDE SHE KNOWS THAT HER HOME WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.>>I’M SPEECHLESS AND IT’S A LOT OF EMOTION AND TO SEE EVERYTHING JUST BYE, GONE.>>Reporter: HUNDREDS IN SAINTE-MARTHE-sur-le-LAC ARE FACING SIMILAR DEVASTATION, UNCERTAINTY AND LOSS. TEAMS OFFERING PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP ARE GOING DOOR TO DOOR. THIS COORDINATOR SAYS THAT RESIDENTS MIGHT EXPERIENCE STRESS AND ANGER AND SOMETIMES SUICIDAL THOUGHTS. SHE ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND TO ASK FOR HELP. EXPERTS SAY THAT THE MENTAL HEALTH IMPACT FROM A DISASTER CAN LINGER FOR YEARS.>>IT’S CRUCIAL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IN THE PERIOD OF RECOVERY AND REBUILDING THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THOSE MENTAL HEALTH IMPACTS.>>Reporter: CAMILLE CHAMPAGNE SAYS SHE’S THANKFUL FOR FRIENDS, FAMILY AND NEIGHBOURS HELPING HER THROUGH.>>EVERYONE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER.>>Reporter: ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS, SAINTE-MARTHE-sur-le-LAC, QUÉBEC.>>Ian: IN CENTRAL ONTARIO, THE AREA NICKNAMED COTTAGE COUNTRY IS STILL UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY.>>WHEN I WAS WALKING THROUGH I SAW A BUNCH OF PEOPLE’S HOMES THAT THEY’RE ON STILTS AND, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY’RE ALL FLOODED.>>Ian: TODAY THE MILITARY WAS OUT ON THE WATER SURVEYING THE DAMAGE AND TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OUT. HUNDREDS OF ARMY PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN DISPATCHED TO THE MUSKOKA REGION TO HELP WITH EVACUATIONS, SANDBAGGING AND OTHER FLOOD RESPONSE EFFORTS. THE TOWN OF BRACEBRIDGE SAYS THAT ONE BRANCH OF THE MUSKOKA HAS STARTED RECEDING AND THE OTHER BRANCH HAS STABILIZED. HEALTH CANADA IS REMINDING PEOPLE TODAY ABOUT THE DANGERS OF MOLD INSIDE THOSE FLOODED HOMES AND COTTAGES. AND THE CANADIAN RED CROSS IS HANDING OUT FREE KITS TO RESIDENTS WHO NEED HELP CLEANING UP.>>Rosemary: TURNING TO THE LATEST UPHEAVAL IN NORTH AMERICA’S WOMEN’S PRO HOCKEY. A DAY AFTER THE CANADIAN LEAGUE OFFICIALLY CLOSED DOWN, SOME OF THE BIGGEST STARS IN THE GAME ISSUED AN ULTIMATUM.>>WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING IN A TONNE OF WORK TO GET WOMEN’S HOCKEY UP TO THIS POINT AND SO THAT’S WHY WE’RE TAKING THIS STAND.>>Rosemary: CARLEE CAMPBELL AND 200 TOP PLAYERS SAY THEY’LL BOYCOTT THE UPCOMING SEASON OF THE NATIONAL WOMEN’S HOCKEY LEAGUE, THE ONLY REMAINING PRO LEAGUE ON THE CONTINENT. THEY WILL NOT LACE UP THEIR SKATES UNTIL THE PLAYERS GET THE COMPENSATION AND THE SUPPORT THAT THEY DESERVE. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT WITHOUT IDEAS ON HOW TO TURN THINGS AROUND EITHER. AS OUR JAMIE STRASHIN EXPLAINS, THEY’RE LOOKING FOR HELP FROM THE BIGGEST HOCKEY MACHINE ON THE PLANET.>>I DIDN’T HAVE THE OPTION TO PLAY PROFESSIONALLY WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.>>Reporter: FORMER TORONTO FURY’S ALL-STAR DEFENCEMAN CARLEE CAMPBELL SAYS THAT THIS FIGHT IS WORTH IT AND THAT IT’S TIME TO TAKE A STAND OVER THE DISMAL STATE OF THE GAME AND ITS WOEFULLY LOW PAY FOR PLAYERS.>>I’M NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING EXTRAVAGANT, WE’RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING STANDARD SO THAT WE CAN PLAY HOCKEY FULL-TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT OUR BILLS OR RAISING A FAMILY.>>Reporter: CAMPBELL HAS BEEN WITHOUT A TEAM SINCE THE CWHL FOLDED LAST MONTH. SHE AND OTHERS ARE NOW LOOKING TO THE NHL WITH ITS MARKETING REACH AND RESOURCES TO HELP TO STABILIZE THE GAME.>>YOU’RE GOING TO GET DIFFERENT OPINIONS. I THINK THAT THE NHL IS THE WHITE KNIGHT.>>Reporter: IT’S THE LATEST TWIST IN A SPORT THAT HAS LONG SEARCHED FOR SOLID FOOTING AND STRUGGLED TO KEEP THE FANS’ ATTENTION BEYOND THE OLYMPICS. AGENT BRANT FELDMAN WHO REPRESENTS SOME OF THE 200 PLAYERS SAYS THAT OTHERS IN THE HOCKEY COMMUNITY HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY AS WELL.>>YOU HAVE U.S.A. HOCKEY AND HOCKEY CANADA SHOULD BE GETTING INVOLVED. IN BOTH OF THOSE GUYS’ CASES THEY HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY TO HELP TO GROW THE SPORT IN BOTH CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES.>>PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS…>>Reporter: BUT SPORTS MARKETING EXECUTIVE CARY KAPLAN SAYS THAT THE PLAYERS’ MOVE IS A RISKY ONE. AND THAT WHATEVER COMES NEXT, THE WOMEN’S GAME NEEDS TO CHANGE FUNDAMENTALLY.>>YOU HAVE MAKE IT MORE THAN GREAT HOCKEY. IT HAS TO BE GREAT ENTERTAINMENT. IT HAS TO BE AN EVENT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME FOR THREE HOURS WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS AND HAVE AN AMAZING TIME.>>Reporter: KAPLAN SAYS ALSO THAT ANY POTENTIAL INVESTOR WILL HAVE TO SEE A RETURN.>>I THINK THAT THE WOMEN’S LEAGUE COMES FORWARD HISTORICALLY AND IT HAS SAID THAT WE NEED SUPPORT. IT’S NOT A CAUSE. THE CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL IS A CAUSE. WOMEN’S HOCKEY IS NOT A CAUSE.>>Reporter: FOR ITS PART THE NHL IS WATCHING AND WAITING. LATE TODAY IT RELEASED A STATEMENT SAYING THAT ITS CONVERSATIONS WITH PLAYERS CONTINUE ABOUT WAYS TO GROW THE WOMEN’S GAME AT THE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL. BUT NO MENTION OF GOING ANY FURTHER YET. JAMIE STRASHIN, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Rosemary: SO WHY ARE PRO HOCKEY SALARIES SO LOW FOR WOMEN? MORE THAN ANYTHING, IT’S A LACK OF CRITICAL MASS. THE NWHL SALARY CAP IS JUST $100,000. COMPARE THAT TO THE NHL SALARY CAP OF $83 MILLION. WHILE THE NHL HAS 31 TEAMS PLAYING 82 REGULAR SEASON GAMES TO AN AVERAGE CROWD OF 17,000 PAYING FANS, THE WOMEN’S LEAGUE HAS ONLY FIVE TEAMS PLAYING 16 REGULAR SEASON GAMES WITH AN AVERAGE OF JUST 830 PEOPLE. IT’S THOSE NUMBERS THAT THE WOMEN ARE LOOKING FOR HELP TO TURN AROUND.>>Ian: FACEBOOK KICKED SOME BIG NAMES OFF ITS PLATFORMS TODAY SAYING THAT THEY VIOLATED THE BAN AGAINST HATE AND VIOLENCE. ONE OF THEM, LEWIS FARRAKHAN, THE LEADER OF THE NATION OF ISLAM WHO HAS PROMOTED HATE TOWARDS JEWISH PEOPLE. AND ANOTHER U.S. CONSPIRACY THEORIST ALEX JONES. AND MILO YIANNOPOULOS, A FORMER EDITOR AT BREITBART NEWS, WHOSE PLANNED APPEARANCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT BERKELEY TWO YEARS AGO SPARKED VIOLENT PROTESTS. FACEBOOK IS ALSO BANISHED THE EXTREMIST GROUP KNOWN AS THE SOLDIERS OF ODIN. IT HAS CHAPTERS HERE AND IN EUROPE AND THEY’RE KNOWN FOR ANTI-IMMIGRANT RHETORIC AND VIOLENCE. BUT IT SEEMS THAT ONE ALBERTA BRANCH OF THE LEGION DIDN’T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN EXPLAINS.>>Reporter: BECAUSE OF THEIR ANTI-IMMIGRANT RHETORIC AND VIOLENT PROTESTS LIKE THIS ONE LAST MONTH, FACEBOOK CALLED THE SOLDIERS OF ODIN A HATE GROUP AND BANNED THEM. BUT THE GROUP HAS FOUND A WARMER WELCOME AT THE GRANDE PRAIRIE BRANCH OF THE CANADIAN ROYAL LEGION. SEVERAL BRANCH MEMBERS ARE ALSO MEMBERS EVER THE SOLDIERS OF ODIN AND THEY RENTED THE HALL TO THE GROUP FOR A DINNER. THE LEGION INSISTS THAT IT DID ITS RESEARCH.>>THEY ARE NOT A RACIAL GROUP, THEY’RE NOT ANTI-IMMIGRATION, AND THEY’RE NOT NEO-NAZI SKINHEADS, OKAY? THEY’RE JUST A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.>>Reporter: BUT THE SOLDIERS OF ODIN’S FACTIONS ACROSS CANADA PAINT A DIFFERENT PICTURE, TAKING PART IN ANTI-IMMIGRATION PROTESTS FROM VANCOUVER TO TORONTO. THE GRANDE PRAIRIE CHAPTER SAYS –>>WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRO-IMMIGRATION. SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE ALL ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRATION, I DON’T THINK THAT ANYBODY REALLY WANTS TO SEE MASS AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE BORDERS.>>Reporter: THE CANADIAN ANTI-HATE NETWORK SAYS DON’T BE FOOLED.>>WE ARE SEEING EXPRESSIONS OF HATE THAT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN MODERN AGE.>>Reporter: IT POINTS OUT THAT THE SOLDIERS STARTED OUT AS NEO-NAZIS IN FINLAND AND ARE KNOWN TO CONDUCT PATROLS IN NEIGHBOURHOODS OR EVEN SHOPPING MALLS WHERE THEY HARASS IMMIGRANTS, DEMANDING I.D.>>OF ALL ORGINISATIONS TO TAKE THEM UNDER THEIR WING FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE ROYAL CANADIAN LEGION, YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE THE LAST ONE TO DO SO. HERE WE HAVE A GROUP THAT HAS ITS ROOTS IN THE ACTUAL GROUP SET THAT VETERANS FOUGHT DURING WORLD WAR II. IT’S KIND OF A SAD AND A TERRIBLE IRONY.>>Reporter: WE REACHED OUT TO PROVINCIAL AND NATIONAL LEGION LEADERSHIP. THE NATIONAL OFFICE SAYS THAT THEY’D ASK THE PROVINCIAL OFFICE TO LOOK INTO IT. ALBERTA SAYS THEY HAVE AND THEY BELIEVE THAT NO BY-LAWS HAVE BEEN BROKEN. RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN, CBC NEWS, EDMONTON.>>Ian: TO GET A SENSE OF HOW PREVALENT WHITE NATIONALIST GROUPS ARE IN CANADA WE WENT TO BARBARA PERRY, ONE OF CANADA’S LEADING EXPERTS IN RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM.>>THE THINKING IS THAT IT’S NOW WELL OVER 200 AND CLOSING IN ON 300 ACTIVE GROUPS ACROSS CANADA. (*)>>Ian: YOU SEE THEM ONLINE. AND AT PROTESTS. GROUPS LIKE STORM ALLIANCE, NORTHERN GUARD AND THE THREE PERCENTERS. A GROUP THAT DRESSES IN PARAMILITARY GEAR AND ACTS AS SECURITY AT RALLIES. THE ONE THAT THEY BROUGHT THE DEVICES THAT ARE USED TO STUN CATTLE. NEARLY 4,000 PEOPLE FOLLOWED THE ALBERTA CHAPTER ONLINE AND RIGHT-WING POLITICS IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES IS GIVING THEIR IDEOLOGY A BOOST.>>I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE CONTEXT THAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO NOT JUST THE GROWTH BUT THE EMBOLDENING AND THE EMPOWERING OF THESE GROUPS. (*)>>Ian: IN A WORD — FEAR.>>A SENSE OF THREAT AND THE REPLACEMENT OF WHITE EUROPEANS AND SPECIFICALLY WHITE CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS BY, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING IMMIGRATION PATTERNS.>>Ian: ISLAMOPHOBIA AND ANTI-SEMITISM AND HOMOPHOBIA AND MISOGYNY ALL PLAY A ROLE AND GEOGRAPHY MATTERS.>>IN ALBERTA, FOR EXAMPLE, A LONG HISTORY THERE OF ANTI-INDIGENOUS SENTIMENT THAT IS NOW — I WOULDN’T SAY REPLACED — BUT SUPPLEMENTED BY HOSTILITY TOWARDS NEWCOMERS. LOOKING AT QUÉBEC, YOU KNOW, A VERY DIFFERENT DYNAMIC THERE AND IT’S THE EXTENSION OF THE HISTORY OF RELIGIOUS CONFLICT THERE.>>Ian: RECRUITMENT DOES HAPPEN OFFLINE AND IN PERSON AND IN POSTERS BUT IT DRIVES PEOPLE ONLINE WHERE THEY DON’T JUST GET INVOLVED BUT THEY GET CONNECTED.>>TORONTO WHITE NATIONALISTS CONNECTING WITH CALGARY WHITE NATIONALISTS AND THEN ALSO CONNECTING WITH THOSE IN EUROPE AND FRANCE AND IN BIRMINGHAM, FOR EXAMPLE. SO I THINK THAT IS POWERFUL TO HAVE THAT SENSE OF BELONGING TO SOMETHING THAT BIG.>>Ian: IN THAT WORLD HATEFUL IDEAS SUDDENLY SEEM SO NORMAL. THESE GROUPS DON’T JUST NEED PEOPLE TO SURVIVE, THEY NEED CASH. SOME RELY ON DONATIONS BUT SOME CHARGE MEMBERSHIP FEES TO GET PAST THE PUBLIC PORTALS AND INTO THE INNER CIRCLES.>>>AMONG THE OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT A HEARTBREAKING DEVELOPMENT FROM THE CHRISTCHURCH MOSQUE SHOOTINGS. KEEP IN MIND THE SHOOTING THERE BY A MAN WITH VIOLENT WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEAS. NEARLY TWO MONTHS AFTER THE ATTACK ONE OF THE INJURED VICTIMS HAS DIED. THE TURKISH CITIZEN HAD BEEN IN INTENSIVE CARE AND DIED OVERNIGHT DURING SURGERY. HE’S THE 51st VICTIM OF THE ATTACK. NINE OTHERS ARE STILL IN HOSPITAL AND THEY’RE IN STABLE CONDITION.>>THERE WAS A CONFIRMED CASE OF MEASLES ON THE CRUISE SHIP ON OUR ISLAND.>>Ian: AND OFFICIALS SAY THAT CRUISE SHIP HAS BEEN QUARANTINED. PASSENGERS AND CREW MUST STAY ON BOARD. AND 100 DOSES OF THE VACCINE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED. THE SHIP IS CALLED FREEWINS, THE SAME SHIP OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY.>>>AND A DEVELOPMENT TODAY ON THE CONTAINERS OF GARBAGE THAT A CANADIAN COMPANY SHIPPED TO MANILA YEARS AGO. THE PHILIPPINES AND ITS PRESIDENT WANTS THAT TRASH GONE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. KATIE SIMPSON HAS THE DETAILS.>>Reporter: THE PORT OF VANCOUVER IS ABOUT TO GET A SHIPMENT THAT IS A GOOD SIX YEARS OVERDUE. TONNES OF ROTTING CANADIAN GARBAGE COULD BE ON ITS WAY HERE AS EARLY AS THIS MONTH AFTER AN EMBARRASSING POLITICAL STANDOFF.>>WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION AND WE THINK THAT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.>>Reporter: CANADA IS OFFERING TO RECLAIM MORE THAN SIX DOZEN CONTAINERS OF TRASH THAT WERE SENT TO MANILA STARTING IN 2013. THE PHILIPPINES MISTAKENLY ACCEPTED THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE, INCLUDING ADULT DIAPERS FROM A PRIVATE CANADIAN COMPANY AFTER IT WAS IMPROPERLY LABELLED AS RECYCLING. FOR YEARS FILIPINOS HAVE BEEN DEMANDING THAT CANADA COME GET THE GARBAGE AND LAST WEEK PRESIDENT RODRIGO DUTERTE EVEN THREATENED WAR.>>I WILL ADVISE CANADA THAT YOUR GARBAGE IS ON THE WAY. PREPARE FOR THE GRAND RECEPTION. [laughter] EAT IT, IF YOU WANT TO.>>Reporter: IF DUTERTE ACCEPTS CANADA’S PROPOSAL, THE ENVIRONMENT MINISTER WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE TRASH GOES ONCE IT GETS TO VANCOUVER. THE N.D.P. IS WORRIED THAT THE GOVERNMENT ISN’T PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THE SHIPMENT. BUT SAYS THAT THE MOVE IS NECESSARY.>>WELL, IT SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN SENT OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I THINK THAT IT’S REALLY A BLACK EYE FOR CANADIANS INTERNATIONALLY.>>Reporter: THE GOVERNMENT ISN’T SAYING YET HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST. THE PRIVATE COMPANY THAT SHIPPED THE GARBAGE NO LONGER EXISTS SO THERE’S NO ONE TO HOLD TO ACCOUNT. KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA. (*)>>Rosemary: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL”… A NEW SURVEY SUGGESTS THAT THE WAGE GAP MAY START EARLY IN THIS COUNTRY AS IN DURING CHILDHOOD. WE’LL EXPLAIN.>>Ian: AND IN OUR “MOMENT,” THE DIPLOMATIC DOOR KNOCKER HEARD AROUND THE WORLD. A STORY BEHIND A VIRAL VIDEO.>>Rosemary: BUT FIRST MUCH MORE ON OUR TOP STORY, JASON KENNEY’S FIERY FIRST TRIP TO OTTAWA. THANK GOODNESS THAT “AT ISSUE” IS HERE. CHANTAL (*)>>IF THIS BILL PROCEEDS TOGETHER WITH C-48 IT’S A MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA THAT THEIR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN’T CARE ABOUT A DEVASTATING PERIOD OF ECONOMIC ADVERSITY IN OUR PROVINCE AND IS SO CARELESS ABOUT IT THAT IT’S PREPARED TO VIOLATE EXCLUSIVE PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION. I PLEAD WITH YOU AS FEDERALISTS TO UNDERSTAND THE NATIONAL UNITY IMPLICATIONS OF IT.>>Rosemary: OKAY, JASON KENNEY BROUGHT HIS MESSAGE AND A WARNING TO OTTAWA TODAY, THIS WAS HIS FIRST FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH THE PRIME MINISTER SINCE BECOMING PREMIER. SAFE TO SAY THAT THE TWO HAD A LOT TO TALK ABOUT WERE THEY ABLE TO FIND COMMON GROUND AND WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE OF KENNEY’S STRATEGY HERE? IT’S THURSDAY AND IT’S “AT ISSUE” HERE TO DIG INTO THIS AND CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN MONTRÉAL. AND ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO. AND ANDRAY DOMISE JOINS US FROM WINNIPEG TONIGHT. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. I’LL START WITH YOU, CHANTAL. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF JASON KENNEY’S STRATEGY TODAY, THIS SORT OF WARNING THAT THERE’S A CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE COMING WHEN IT COMES TO BILL C-69. THERE’S A NATIONAL UNITY CRISIS ON THE FRONT BURNER IF THIS CONTINUES.>>THREE POINTS. THE FIRST, THE ELECTION WAS TWO WEEKS AGO AND THERE — OR THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MERIT IN LETTING MORE TIME ELAPSE BETWEEN THE ELECTION AND TODAY NOT BECAUSE OF ANY CALENDAR RELATED ISSUE, BUT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS ONE WHO HAS JUST WON AN ELECTION TO MOVE FROM CAMPAIGN RHETORIC TO GOVERNMENTAL RHETORIC. THE SECOND POINT IS HAVING COVERED A FAIR NUMBER OF PREMIERS FROM QUÉBEC WHO CAME TO OTTAWA AND PITCHED THE SAME KIND OF MESSAGE, THERE IS ALSO MERIT IN NOT USING YOUR NUCLEAR BOMB OR NOT SHOWING WHAT YOU THINK IS A NUCLEAR BOMB ON YOUR FIRST APPEARANCE, BE IT ONLY BECAUSE IF THINGS DON’T WORK OUT YOUR WAY YOU CAN’T GO BACK AND USE IT AGAIN OR SAY YOU’RE GOING TO USE IT WHEN YOU CAN’T. AND, THIRD, I WOULD URGE I GUESS JASON KENNEY TO RESIST THE TEMPTATION OF FEELING IN THE COMFORT ZONE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL — AND HE CLEARLY DOES, AND OVERDOING THE FEDERAL-PROVINCIAL THING AT THE EXPENSE OF THE GOVERNMENT.>>Rosemary: HMM, ALL RIGHT, THAT’S A LOT OF STUFF. ANDREW, WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF HIM TODAY?>>I WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPRESSED THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE AGREEING TO STAY WITHIN THE LAW, FIRST OF ALL. EVERYBODY IS SUING EACH OTHER BY TAKING EACH OTHER TO COURT. WE HAVE THREE PROVINCES GOING TO COURT OVER THE CARBON TAX. WE’VE GOT ALBERTA THREATENING COURT CHALLENGES OVER BOTH C-48 AND C-69. WE HAVE B.C. CHALLENGING OVER WHETHER THE FEDS CAN PUT A PIPELINE THROUGH WITHOUT B.C. REGULATING, ETC. BUT THAT’S FINE. THAT’S AT LEAST STAYING WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF SOME MEASURE OF POLITICAL CIVILITY. SO, YEAH, THERE WAS SOME RHETORIC BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE URGING THE FEDS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEY SHOULD JUST REJECT THE TRANS MOUNTAIN NOW TO PUNISH ALBERTA FOR ELECTING JASON KENNEY. THEY HAVEN’T DONE THAT. KENTUCKY I SUPPOSE COULD JUST NOT HAVE PROCLAIMED BILL 12, TO ALLOW THEM TO CUT OFF THE OIL FLOW TO B.C., BUT HE’S NOT DONE THAT. HE’S NOT SAYING THAT HE’S NOT GOING TO LIFT THE CAP ON EMISSIONS, A 100 MEGATONNE CAP ON EMISSIONS. WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT IN PLACE. ALL OF THAT SAID PEOPLE ARE KIND OF KEEPING THEIR POWDER RELATIVELY DRY COMPARED TO HOW MUCH WORSE THIS COULD BE AT THIS POINT.>>Rosemary: I WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT, BUT, ANDRAY, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE WAY — I MEAN, HE GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION AND HE’S A VERY GOOD TALKER AND MAKES HIS CASE FORCEFULLY AND HE CERTAINLY DID THAT TODAY. WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF HIM?>>WELL, YOU ACTUALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD RIGHT THERE. THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION IS JUST APATHETIC. IT’S NOT AS IF THERE’S A POLICY ORIENTED STRATEGY HAPPENING HERE. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR JASON KENNEY IS THAT HE’S SEEN TO BE BLUSTERING TOWARDS THE FEDS. IN THAT HE SEEMS TO BE DEFENDING ALBERTA’S INTERESTS. WHETHER THIS AMOUNTS TO ANYTHING, IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BILL C-69 AND THE CHALLENGE TO THAT OR WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE THREATENING TO TURN OFF THE TAPS, IT’S NOT AS THOUGH THERE’S ANYTHING DRIVING THIS BESIDES RALLYING ALBERTANS BEHIND THE FLAG OF OIL INTERESTS. AND, FRANKLY, IT’S AT THIS POINT IT’S — IT’S KIND OF BORING, ACTUALLY. IT DOESN’T REALLY STAND FOR ANYTHING. THERE’S NOTHING THAT WE’LL SEE COME OUT OF THIS.>>Rosemary: EXCEPT THE PEOPLE IN ALBERTA WOULD SAY THAT — WELL, PRESUMABLY, THAT’S WHAT THEY THINK BECAUSE THEY ELECTED HIM — THAT’S WHAT THEY NEED IS SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO NOT ONLY TO BE A CHEERLEADER, BUT A DEFEND. AND HOPEFULLY TO GET TO SOMETHING.>>YEAH.>>Rosemary: GO AHEAD, ANDRAY.>>ASSUMING THAT THERE WAS A STRATEGY BEHIND THIS, BESIDES RALLYING BEHIND OIL INTERESTS AND IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ATTACK ON BILL C- 9, WHAT WE’RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT KENNEY AND THE GOVERNMENT DO NOT WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE PUBLIC CONSULTATIONS AND POSSIBLY TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO VETO SOME OF THESE UPCOMING AND PROPOSED PROJECTS. BUT THE VERY PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE THE MOST HIGHLY AFFECTED BY ANY CHANGES TO THE LOCAL ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER WE’RE TALKING ABOUT FISHERIES OR WILDLIFE, ETC., ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST HEAVILY AFFECTED AND ESSENTIALLY HE’S SAYING THAT YOU DON’T GET A SAY IN THIS. THE PEOPLE WHO DO GET TO HAVE A SAY ARE THE OIL COMPANIES AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THEM.>>Rosemary: OKAY, CHANTAL.>>I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT’S REALLY WHAT HE MEANS. AND I SAY THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HAVING WATCH VARIOUS QUÉBEC GOVERNMENTS ARGUE THE SAME POINT. THAT IS, THAT THE PROVINCE IS WELL ABLE TO MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT AND TO TAKE CARE OF ITS OWN PEOPLE WITHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WADING INTO THE SIDE FOR ALBERTA ON WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. AND — BUT I DO AGREE THAT — AND THAT WAS MY POINT ABOUT CAMPAIGN RHETORIC IS THAT IT IS HARD TO SEE REAL STRATEGY BEHIND IT. I WAS STRUCK BY THE REFERENCE TO RENE LEVESQUE, THE FOUNDER OF THE PARTI QUEBECOIS, AND JUST A REMINDER FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN RENE LEVESQUE LOST HIS BIGGEST BATTLES AGAINST SOMEONE CALLED TRUDEAU. [laughter]>>Rosemary: THAT’S A DARNED GOOD REMINDER. WHY DON’T YOU RIP THAT UP A LITTLE BIT THERE, ANDREW. AND I, WATCHING THAT NATIONAL UNITY ARGUMENT, WHETHER IT’S REAL OR NOT, I FIND IT STILL WORRYING, YOU KNOW, I JUST WONDER WHETHER THAT’S A GOOD AVENUE TO GO DOWN FOR A COUNTRY THAT HAS EXPERIENCED WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED.>>FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT ALBERTANS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ANGRY OR UPSET, WHATEVER WORD YOU LIKE TO USE, AT THE STATE OF PLAY RIGHT NOW. THAT THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY BEING TOLD BY VARIOUS SOURCES THEY CANNOT GET THEIR MAJOR EXPORT TO MARKET. THEY’VE GOT A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT WHETHER YOU AGREE IT WITH IT OR NOT, IS BASICALLY BRINGING IN A SPECIAL TAX ON THAT PRODUCT. THEY’VE GOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALSO SAYING THAT YOU CAN’T SHIP IT BY TANKER OFF THE COAST OF B.C. THOSE TANKERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO OFF THE ATLANTIC COAST. AND YOU HAVE PROVINCES ON THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT SAYING THAT WE DON’T WANT YOUR OIL TO COME THROUGH OUR PROVINCE, EVEN THOUGH PIPELINES ARE A FEDERAL MATTER. SO THEY’RE RIGHT TO BE PERTURBED ABOUT THAT. I DON’T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR SOME OF MR. KENNEY’S ANSWERS. I THINK THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO HAVE A ROLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A GLOBAL PROBLEM LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE TO SAY THAT COULD BE HANDLED BY THE PROVINCE I THINK IS KIND OF PAROCHIAL. THAN I AGREE WITH B.C. SAYING THAT I FEDS SHOULDN’T PUT A PIPELINE THROUGH BECAUSE WE WANT SOMETHING THAT IS A FEDERAL MATTER, AN INTERPROVINCIAL PIPELINE. SO THE PROVINCES WILL MAKE PROVINCIAL-MINDED ARGUMENTS. BUT, FAIR ENOUGH, THEY CAN TAKE THAT TO COURT AND TEST IT THERE. THAT IS FINE. WHEN HE CROSSES THE LINE IS WHEN HE INVOKES A SEPARATIST THREAT. FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T THINK THAT IT’S REAL IN ALBERTA. I DON’T THINK THAT IT’S JUSTIFIED. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE PLAYING WITH FIRE WHEN YOU START THROWING THOSE WORDS AROUND AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. THAT’S NOT AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO MAKE YOUR CASE. YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY TALK ABOUT THE JUSTIFIED GRIEVANCES OF ALBERTA, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE SEPARATIST WORD, THAT IS NOT PARTICULARLY RESPONSIBLE.>>Rosemary: ANDRAY?>>AND SPEAKING ABOUT NOT GETTING THE PRODUCT TO MARKET THERE WAS A VERY GOOD ARTICLE IN THE “GLOBE & MAIL” RECENTLY WHERE HE ILLUSTRATED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, A CONVENTIONAL OIL EXTRACTION THAT HAPPENS TO BE WHAT IS HAPPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SAUDI ARABIA WHICH HSBC TURNED DOWN PRETTY MUCH EVERY POSSIBLE MEANS OF MEETING WITH THE KENNEY GOVERNMENT AND IS NOW FLIRTING WITH THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT. BUT THIS IS CONVENTIONAL OIL EXTRACTION. ON THE OTHER HAND THE BITUMEN EXTRACTION IS NONCONVENTIONAL AND HAS A RISK OF BECOMING A STRANDED ASSET. THIS NOT TO PICK ON ALBERTA, THIS IS SIMPLY THE WAY THAT THE OIL IS EXTRACTED FROM THIS PARTICULAR PATCH OF LAND AND HAS AN INCREDIBLY HIGH ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND THE GLOBE IS MOVING AWAY FROM THESE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. SO, YOU KNOW, IT’S UNFORTUNATE AND IT’S NOT AS THOUGH I DON’T HAVE ANY COMPASSION FOR THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA, BUT THIS METHOD OF OIL EXTRACTION HAS A CATASTROPHIC IMPACT ON GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.>>Rosemary: LAST WORD TO YOU, CHANTAL.>>WELL, YOU DO REALIZE THAT ALL OF THOSE COURT CHALLENGES WILL GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT IF THEY DO HAPPEN AND THOSE THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY ANSWERS ON ANY OF THOSE THINGS UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. AND THEY COULD BECOME MOOT IF WE CHANGE GOVERNMENTS AND ANDREW SCHEER IS SERIOUS ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DRAWING UP MORE LAWS THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN CHALLENGE.>>Rosemary: THANKS, EVERYONE. WE’RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING USUAL AND WE’RE GOING TO PUT EVERYONE ON PAUSE AND WE’RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER ROUND WITH “AT ISSUE” AFTER THIS SHORT BREAK. STICK AROUND.>>Andrew Scheer: I ABSOLUTELY ACCEPT THE CONCLUSIONS THAT EXPERTS HAVE IN THIS FIELD WHEN PEOPLE POINT TO CLIMATE CHANGE CAUSING MORE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS.>>IN THE 21st CENTURY IF YOU DON’T HAVE A PLAN FOR CLIMATE CHANGE YOU DON’T HAVE A PLAN FOR THE ECONOMY.>>Rosemary: COMING UP WE’LL LOOK AT THE POLITICS OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND HOW POLITICAL PARTIES ARE RESPONDING TO THIS REALITY, WHAT KIND OF EFFECT IT COULD HAVE ON THE ELECTION. THAT (*)>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: TODAY WE MARK THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY SINCE THE LEADER OF THE FEDERAL CONSERVATIVES, ANDREW SCHEER, PROMISED THAT HE’D BE RELEASING HIS PLAN TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE SHORTLY. WELL, IT’S A YEAR LATER AND WE’RE STILL WAITING.>>Andrew Scheer: OUR PLAN, AS I MENTIONED, WILL BE UNVEILED WITH PLENTY OF TIME FOR CANADIANS TO ANALYSE IT, TO EVALUATE IT. BUT IT HAS BEEN QUITE SOME TIME SINCE THE LIBERALS PROMISED THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN AND TODAY ALL WE HAVE IS AN INEFFECTIVE CARBON TAX.>>Rosemary: RECENT FLOODS IN PARTS OF EASTERN CANADA HAVE BROUGHT CLIMATE CHALLENGE BACK TO THE DEBATE, I’M NOT SURE THAT IT EVER LEFT BUT IT’S IN THE FOREFRONT NOW. A LOT OF DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ON HOW TO HANDLE THIS REALITY AND WE’RE BACK FOR ANOTHER ROUND MUCH “AT ISSUE” — CHANTAL, ANDREW AND ANDRAY. THE FLOODING IS IN EVERYBODY’S FACE RIGHT NOW, PARTICULARLY IF YOU’RE GOING THROUGH IT. SO I WONDER IF THAT MAKES YOU THINK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE MORE IMMEDIATELY? AND WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE FROM LEADERS WHEN THEY DECIDE HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. AND WHETHER THAT WILL FACTOR INTO THE ELECTION IN A DIFFERENT WAY BECAUSE OF THAT.>>I DOUBT IT BY THE TIME THAT THE ELECTION COMES AROUND. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT THIS OR THAT FLOOD WAS ACTUALLY THE CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING. BUT THE GENERAL POINT OF THIS — YOU KNOW, OF INCREASING INCIDENCES OF WEATHER EVENTS IS WELL TAKEN. AND IT WILL BE TOP OF MIND FOR SOME PEOPLE FOR SOME TIME. BUT THE ELECTION IS NOT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BY NOW AND I SUSPECT BY THEN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR WHOM THE FLOODS ARE DRIVING THEM IS GOING TO BE RELATIVELY SMALL.>>Rosemary: WHAT DO YOU THINK, ANDRAY, THIS SHOULD BE AN ISSUE THAT IS NONPARTISAN IN A WAY — CLIMATE CHANGE. AND MAYBE IT IS AND IT’S JUST THE POLICY APPROACH THAT IS DIFFERENT.>>WELL, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THAT I DON’T KNOW THAT ANY OF THE MAJOR PARTIES ARE TAKING A POLICY OR A PUSH THAT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. I AGREE WITH ANDREW THAT I DON’T THINK THAT IT WILL BE AN ELECTION ISSUE. I THINK THAT FOR MOST PEOPLE WHAT’S FRONT OF MIND IS THEIR IMMEDIATE ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES. SO WHETHER THEY’RE ABLE TO FIND WORK, WHETHER THEY’RE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF FAMILIES AND SO FORTH. BUT YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK AROUND AT WHAT IS HAPPENING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, THE INSURANCE BUREAU BETWEEN 2008 AND TODAY HAS BASICALLY SHOWN THAT THE COST OF EACH CATASTROPHIC WEATHER EVENT HAS HAD TO BE QUADRUPLED. SO YOU CAN ARGUE WHETHER IT’S DUE TO MANMADE CLIMATE CHANGE OR NOT. BUT THE FACT IS THAT THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING. AND WITHOUT POLICY SET UP TO ADDRESS THAT, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FOR THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE.>>Rosemary: CHANTAL?>>HMM, NO ONE EXPECTED REFUGEES TO BECOME A HUGE ISSUE IN THE LAST FEDERAL ELECTION. AND THAT WAS UNTIL THE BODY OF A YOUNG CHILD WASHED ASHORE. IF WE HAD BEEN HAVING AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS, THE WEEKEND FLOODS WOULD HAVE PUSHED CLIMATE CHANGE AND CHANGED THE OPTICS ON EVERYONE’S POLICIES, PROBABLY HURT THE CONSERVATIVES TREMENDOUSLY. AND THEY WERE GIVEN A SAMPLE OF THAT OVER THE WEEKEND. I’M SURE THAT THE FLOODS BY NEXT FALL — OR I HOPE — WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST. BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE SOME OTHER CATASTROPHIC CLIMATE EVENT THAT WILL NOT PROPEL IT TO THE FRONT. AND I THINK THAT EVERY PARTY, BUT IN PARTICULAR THE CONSERVATIVES, HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY’RE FRAMING THEIR POLICY SO THAT THEY DON’T GET CAUGHT AS THEY GOT CAUGHT ON THE REFUGEE ISSUE.>>Rosemary: LAST WORD TO YOU ON THAT, ANDREW.>>YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES WHERE THE PARTIES TRY TO NEUTRALIZE IT. SO IF THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE ANY KIND OF POLITICAL SAVVY, WHICH I THINK THAT THEY DO, THEY WILL AT LEAST SAY THAT IT’S SOMETHING THEY CAN TALK ABOUT AND SOMETHING THEY CAN SAY THAT IT’S OUR PLAN. WHETHER IT’S AN ADEQUATE PLAN I THINK THAN MAYBE PEOPLE WILL HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THAT. BUT FOR ELECTORAL PURPOSES THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO POINT TO AND SAY THIS IS OUR PLAN.>>Rosemary: OKAY, I’LL LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR DOING TWO BLOCKS, I APPRECIATE THAT. BEFORE WE GO BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO “AT ISSUE” THE PODCAST FOR EXTRA CONTENT. LOTS THIS WEEK. WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE MORE ON THE SAME TOPIC AND THE LATEST ROUND OF THOSE TENSIONS BETWEEN ALBERTA AND B.C. AND LOOK FOR IT ON iTUNES AND ANY MAJOR PODCAST APP AND OUR WEBSITE, cbcnews.ca/thenational.>>Ian: STILL AHEAD ON THE PROGRAMME, THE STORY BEHIND OUR FAVOURITE VIDEO OF THE DAY. (*) [laughter]>>Ian: THE JAPANESE PRIME MINISTER PICKED UP A SOUVENIR DURING HIS RECENT TRIP TO CANADA. IN A MOMENT WE’LL MEET THE MAN WHO CARVED THAT DOOR KNOCKER. BUT FIRST…>>Rosemary: “IN CASE YOU MISSED IT,” NEW RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT THE GENDER WAGE GAP MAY START EARLY IN THIS COUNTRY. THE GIRL GUIDES AND IPSOS DID A VARY ON TEENS BETWEEN 12 AND 18 ON SUMMER WORK. AND FOUND THAT GIRLS IN RETAIL MAKE ABOUT $3 LESS PER HOUR THAN BOYS AND GIRLS WORKING FULL-TIME IN LESS FORMAL JOBS, SAY, FOR FAMILY, MAKE $6 LESS. AND IT’S NOT CLEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT A TEEN GIRL WOULD MAKE LESS BABYSITTING THAN A TEEN BOY. IN THE ADULT WORKFORCE, CANADIAN WOMEN EARN .87 CENTS FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT A MAN MAKES. AND THE HEAD OF GIRL GUIDE CANADA SAYS THAT COULD BE HOLDING TEENS BACK.>>THEY SAID THEY WERE NOT PURSUING CAREERS OF THEIR DREAMS BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED THEY WOULDN’T BE COMPENSATED FAIRLY.>>Rosemary: THE SURVEY FOUND A BIG DIFFERENCE IN WHERE TEENS WORK. GIRLS MORE LIKELY TO FIND JOBS CARING FOR OTHERS LIKE BABYSITTING OR HEALTH CARE. WHILE BOYS ARE MORE LIKELY TO DO MAINTENANCE OR GARDENING.>>THERE IS THAT GAP AND WE DON’T KNOW IF THEY’RE DOING IT BY CHOICE OR EVEN WHAT THAT CHOICE IS INFORMED BY.>>Rosemary: SHE SAYS THAT IT’S IMPORTANT THAT GIRLS LEARN HOW TO NEGOTIATE.>>I THINK THAT THE CONVERSATIONS ARE ACTUALLY DIFFICULT FOR ADULTS, LET ALONE FOR GIRLS. SO HAVING ACTIVITIES WHERE THEY’RE DOING THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WOULD PROBABLY GO A LONG WAY.>>Rosemary: HER ADVICE FOR TEEN GIRLS STARTING THE SEARCH FOR A SUMMER JOB –>>THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO VALUE WHAT THEY’RE PROVIDING AND THE SECOND THING IS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. SO, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU’RE GOING TO LEARN SKILLS IN ORDER TO SET YOU UP FOR THE FUTURE?>>Rosemary: IN OTHER WORDS, GIRLS, ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT.>>WHEN YOU WERE MAKING “STAR WARS” DID YOU HAVE AN INKLING THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT BOX OFFICE SUCCESS?>>WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL BUT NO ONE REALISED HOW SUCCESSFUL IT WOULD BE.>>Ian: I FEEL LIKE YOU’LL RECOGNIZE THIS ACTOR BETTER IN HIS FULL MAKEUP. THE MAN WHO BROUGHT TOBAC TO “STAR WARS” HAS PASSED AWAY. HE DIED IN HIS HOME IN TEXAS ON TUESDAY AT THE AGE OF 74.>>>A FIERY CRASH AT A BORDER CROSSING IN B.C. HAS LEFT ONE DRIVER DEAD AND ANOTHER IN HOSPITAL. WITNESSES SAY THAT A PORSCHE JUMPED THE CURB AND HIT A MINIVAN AT THE PEACE ARCH, CAUSING IT TO BURST INTO FLAMES ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. THE DRIVER OF THAT PORSCHE WAS PULLED TO SAFETY.>>DESPITE WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE PROSECUTOR FROM THE COURTROOM TODAY THIS CASE IS NOT ABOUT HACKING.>>Ian: THE LAWYER FOR JULIAN ASSANGE IS SPEAKING OUTSIDE OF COURT FOLLOWING AN EXTRADITION HEARING TODAY. ASSANGE IS WANTED IN THE UNITED STATES FOR ALLEGATIONS THAT HE CONSPIRED WITH CHELSEA MANNING TO DOWNLOAD CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. THE CASE WAS ADJOURNED TO MAY 30th.>>>MORE NOW ON A “FIFTH ESTATE” INVESTIGATION THAT WE BROUGHT YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT A SCHEME BY SNC-LAVALIN TO ILLEGALLY INFLUENCE CANADIAN FEDERAL ELECTIONS. EXECUTIVES, DIRECTORS AND EVEN SOME OF THEIR SPOUSES ARE MAKING DONATIONS IN THE MID 2000s TO FEDERAL PARTIES BUT S.N.C. SECRETLY REIMBURSED THEM. THAT PRACTISE IS NOT ALLOWED UNDER ELECTION LAW BUT THE QUÉBEC ENGINEERING GIANT DIDN’T FACE CHARGES. INSTEAD ENTERING INTO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT. AS “THE FIFTH ESTATE’S” GILLIAN FINDLAY EXPLAINS, THERE WERE ANGRY CALLS TODAY FOR THE ELECTIONS COMMISSIONER TO EXPLAIN WHY.>>Reporter: DEAN DEL MASTRO WAS HARDLY A POSTER BOY FOR ELECTORALLIAL FAIR PLAY. FOUR YEARS AGO THE CONSERVATIVE M.P. WENT TO JAIL FOR VIOLATING CANADA’S ELECTION SPENDING LAWS.>>THAT WAS NOT A GOOD DAY.>>Reporter: IN FACT, ONE OF CANADA’S MOST POWERFUL COMPANIES GOT AWAY WITH FAR MORE SERIOUS VIOLATIONS, HE SAYS, IS AN OUTRAGE.>>WE HAVE A DISPROPORTIONATE SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. AND SOME PEOPLE IT SEEM SEEMS THAT IT SHIELDS AND PROTECTS AND OTHER PEOPLE IT COMES DOWN ON THEM WITH FULL FORCE. I FELT THE FULL FORCE AND MIGHT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.>>Reporter: DEL MASTRO WAS CALLING ON GOVERNMENT TO QUESTION THE ELECTIONS COMMISSIONER WHY SNC-LAVALIN WAS ALLOWED TO AVOID PROSECUTION BY SIGNING A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT. HE’S NOT THE ONLY ONE ASKING.>>WAS THIS DEAL STRUCK? WAS THERE ANY POLITICAL INFLUENCE BROUGHT TO BEAR BECAUSE IT SEEMS A VERY, VERY UNUSUAL USE OF A NONCOMPLIANCE ORDER FOR SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE.>>THE LAST TIME THAT THE TERM SNC-LAVALIN-COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT — AND P.M.O. CAME TOGETHER WE HAD FOUR MONTHS OF A DRIP, DRIP, DRIP COMING OUT. CAN THEY JUST PUT ALL OF US OUT OF OUR MISERY AND LET US KNOW IF THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE INTERFERED IN THIS MATTER WITH SNC-LAVALIN?>>Reporter: THE ONLY THING THAT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SAID SO FAR IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE S.N.C. DONATIONS IS IN THE PAST.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD ON TRANSPARENCY AND OPENNESS AND THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS ANYMORE.>>Reporter: BUT HOW DOES HE KNOW? BACK IN 2016, THE LIBERALS TOLD ELECTIONS CANADA THEY HAD NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF INELIGIBLE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY THE 18S.N.C. EMPLOYEES AND THEIR SPOUSES. DID THEY DO AN INVESTIGATION, ASK THE 81 WHO THEIR PARTY CONTACTS WERE? TODAY THE LIBERALS TOLD US THEY DID REVIEW RECORDS AND SPEAK TO PARTY OFFICIALS BUT THEY DID NOT CONTACT ANY OF THE 18 WHO MADE THE DONATIONS. AS FOR THE ELECTION COMMISSIONER, AFTER REFUSING ALL OF OUR REQUESTS FOR AN INTERVIEW HE FINALLY ISSUED A STATEMENT TODAY SAYING THAT IN HIS 12 YEARS ON THE JOB THAT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A POLITICAL ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE OR TO INTERVENE IN ANY OF HIS DECISIONS. INTERESTINGLY, WHAT HE DID NOT SAY IS THAT THERE’S NEVER BEEN AN ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE. GILLIAN FINDLAY, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Rosemary: NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL”… A BEHIND-THE-VIDEO STORY IN OUR “MOMENT.” (*) I COULD WATCH THIS VIDEO ALL DAY LONG. MEET THE CRAFTSMAN BEHIND SHINZO ABE’S NEW CANADIAN SOUVENIR RIGHT AFTER THIS.>>Rosemary: SO JAPAN’S PRIME MINISTER SHINZO ABE VISITED CANADA LAST WEEK AND HE DIDN’T, AS IT TURNS OUT, GO HOME EMPTY-HANDED. TODAY HE INSTALLED HIS BRAND-NEW CANADIAN SOUVENIR, A DOOR KNOCKER IN THE SHAPE OF A BEAVER. DOESN’T EVERY CANADIAN HAVE ONE OF THOSE? WE LOVED IT SO MUCH, THE WORLD DID, REALLY, THAT WE TRACKED DOWN THE ARTIST BEHIND IT. A PAIR OF WOOD CARVING BROTHERS NORTH OF QUÉBEC CITY. AND NOW IN AN EXCLUSIVE TV INTERVIEW THEY SHOW US THE WORKSHOP WHERE ALL OF THEIR MAGIC HAPPENS. HERE’S “THE MOMENT.” (*) [laughter]>>Rosemary: SO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THAT LITTLE TINY VIDEO ON A LOOP ALL DAY LONG. THEY’RE JUST LIKE OBSESSED WITH THAT MOMENT. AND I MYSELF FIND IT PARTICULARLY SOOTHING.>>Ian: SO THE VIDEO — THE MUSIC IS KIND OF KITCHY BUT THE DOOR KNOCKER IS NOT AT ALL.>>Rosemary: NO.>>Ian: IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WHAT DO I KNOW ABOUT ART BUT IT LOOKS LIKE BEAUTIFUL FOLK ART.>>Rosemary:.>>Rosemary: IT’S LOVELY.>>Jennifer: I WENT TO THE WEBSITE, DID YOU?>>Rosemary: NO.>>Ian: THE TREMBLAY WEBSITE. BECAUSE I COULD IMAGINE GETTING ONE OF THOSE DOOR KNOCKERS AND YOU HAVE A DOOR KNOCKER ALREADY?>>Rosemary: I DO, BUT IT’S PRETTY LAME SO I SHOULD THINK ABOUT REPLACING IT.>>Ian: MAYBE WE’LL GET CUSTOM “THE NATIONAL” DOOR KNOCKERS. THAT’S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT ON THIS MAY 2. THAT IS “THE NATIONAL,” GOODNIGHT.>>Rosemary: GOODNIGHT. (*)

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